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		<title>By: Daniel Swensen (@surlymuse)</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-12080</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say, personally I&#039;ve never thought much of the &quot;but what about when you&#039;re 80?&quot; argument. First, I&#039;ve never met any 80-year-olds who cared that much about their appearance. Not that they were slovenly, merely that at that point they were glad just to have their health, and a tattoo pretty much the least of their worries. Second, I rarely met an eighty-year-old who gave a good goddamn what people thought of said appearance. One of the big perks of aging is no longer giving a crap if other people approve of your life choices or not. 

You&#039;re going to age, and things are going to go awry with your appearance, whether you get inked or not. Obviously, different strokes and all that, but I am a little baffled by the idea of people &quot;saving&quot; the purity of their good looks for late in life. 

Anyway, I think &quot;tramp stamp&quot; is reductionist and vulgar, and people who use the phrase are probably not people whose opinions should hold much value for you. If you want to do it, I say go for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, personally I&#8217;ve never thought much of the &#8220;but what about when you&#8217;re 80?&#8221; argument. First, I&#8217;ve never met any 80-year-olds who cared that much about their appearance. Not that they were slovenly, merely that at that point they were glad just to have their health, and a tattoo pretty much the least of their worries. Second, I rarely met an eighty-year-old who gave a good goddamn what people thought of said appearance. One of the big perks of aging is no longer giving a crap if other people approve of your life choices or not. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re going to age, and things are going to go awry with your appearance, whether you get inked or not. Obviously, different strokes and all that, but I am a little baffled by the idea of people &#8220;saving&#8221; the purity of their good looks for late in life. </p>
<p>Anyway, I think &#8220;tramp stamp&#8221; is reductionist and vulgar, and people who use the phrase are probably not people whose opinions should hold much value for you. If you want to do it, I say go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-4244</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoa.  I&#039;ve never heard the term tramp stamp, it must be a US thing.  Which is good, because my wife has a lovely tattoo of a dolphin on her lower back, and if some idiot commented that she was a tramp because of a tattoo, I would not be amused.

I&#039;d be flipping raging, in fact.


A tattoo doesn&#039;t make you a tramp.  Hell, taking your clothes off, writhing round a pole, and having men thrust money in your knickers doesn&#039;t necessarily make you a tramp either.  Sometimes it makes you a survivor.  Doesn&#039;t actually say anything positive about the guys...

There&#039;s nothing wrong with tattoos.  But think them through.  My first tattoo isn&#039;t one I hate, but it isn&#039;t one I love either.  I love my second tattoo.  I intend to add several more when I have the cash.  

Don&#039;t listen to idiots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa.  I&#8217;ve never heard the term tramp stamp, it must be a US thing.  Which is good, because my wife has a lovely tattoo of a dolphin on her lower back, and if some idiot commented that she was a tramp because of a tattoo, I would not be amused.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be flipping raging, in fact.</p>
<p>A tattoo doesn&#8217;t make you a tramp.  Hell, taking your clothes off, writhing round a pole, and having men thrust money in your knickers doesn&#8217;t necessarily make you a tramp either.  Sometimes it makes you a survivor.  Doesn&#8217;t actually say anything positive about the guys&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with tattoos.  But think them through.  My first tattoo isn&#8217;t one I hate, but it isn&#8217;t one I love either.  I love my second tattoo.  I intend to add several more when I have the cash.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t listen to idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: andrea</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-3906</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mum has just had this tattoo done, the tattooist refused to do it on her lower back and instead she has it in between her shoulderblades, she&#039;s a great believer in what this tree represents and is really happy that when she moves her shoulders forward she gets a big tree and back a small tree, she&#039;s had it done bigger than what I thought she would but it&#039;s def better there, btw the yellow doesn&#039;t come out very well so she had them in red.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mum has just had this tattoo done, the tattooist refused to do it on her lower back and instead she has it in between her shoulderblades, she&#8217;s a great believer in what this tree represents and is really happy that when she moves her shoulders forward she gets a big tree and back a small tree, she&#8217;s had it done bigger than what I thought she would but it&#8217;s def better there, btw the yellow doesn&#8217;t come out very well so she had them in red.</p>
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		<title>By: christel42</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-3865</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have tattoos: one on my right shoulder blade, and the other on my left breast. Yes, I know. Stupid me. I was 19 at the time, and thought my breasts would be perky forever. Um yeah. On the plus side, I can hide my tatoos, which comes in handy in a corporate environment. However, back to my original point: I have always wanted a butterfly along my lower back. And then they became popular. Hence the term tramp stamp was coined. I never got that tattoo. Now, fifteen years later, I still want the butterfly, and don&#039;t give a rip what other people think. It simply doesn&#039;t matter. A tramp is a tramp. You are not a tramp, and besides, that Celtic cross is lovely. I say &quot;Go for it!&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tattoos: one on my right shoulder blade, and the other on my left breast. Yes, I know. Stupid me. I was 19 at the time, and thought my breasts would be perky forever. Um yeah. On the plus side, I can hide my tatoos, which comes in handy in a corporate environment. However, back to my original point: I have always wanted a butterfly along my lower back. And then they became popular. Hence the term tramp stamp was coined. I never got that tattoo. Now, fifteen years later, I still want the butterfly, and don&#8217;t give a rip what other people think. It simply doesn&#8217;t matter. A tramp is a tramp. You are not a tramp, and besides, that Celtic cross is lovely. I say &#8220;Go for it!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tat2Duck</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-3724</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately here is a case where a term has overtaken what would be an otherwise acceptable tattoo on an amiable person. As a tattoo artist I have seen a wide range of women get a lower back tattoo and the majority of them I would never attach the term &#039;tramp&#039; or &#039;slut&#039; on them. To generalize the entire female population just because of a natural and logical placement of a tattoo is a complete disservice to women.
Granted that while placing a tattoo on certain body locations has specific effects on the viewer, it should not be broadly demeaned just because of personal ideologies.
Personally, as a guy, I find certain lower back tattoos that are executed well and of a pleasing subject to be very sexy. Last I checked, very few women have no issues about wanting to look sexy.
I could make an analogy to a guy getting a bicep tattoo because he wants to look more macho as a &quot;testosterone stamp&quot;, or can we get cruder and call it a &quot;testes stamp&quot;?
By all means, if a lower back tattoo is what interests you, then go for it.

P.S. A lower back &quot;tramp stamp&quot; tattoo resides in the area of the small of the back. It is triangular in shape with the lower point being just above the butt crack and the upper base line going along the body&#039;s natural &#039;bend&#039; line at the waist. The width is generally in proportion to the person and on average of 7&quot; across. The height is determined by the distance from the lower point to the upper base line.

Good luck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately here is a case where a term has overtaken what would be an otherwise acceptable tattoo on an amiable person. As a tattoo artist I have seen a wide range of women get a lower back tattoo and the majority of them I would never attach the term &#8216;tramp&#8217; or &#8216;slut&#8217; on them. To generalize the entire female population just because of a natural and logical placement of a tattoo is a complete disservice to women.<br />
Granted that while placing a tattoo on certain body locations has specific effects on the viewer, it should not be broadly demeaned just because of personal ideologies.<br />
Personally, as a guy, I find certain lower back tattoos that are executed well and of a pleasing subject to be very sexy. Last I checked, very few women have no issues about wanting to look sexy.<br />
I could make an analogy to a guy getting a bicep tattoo because he wants to look more macho as a &#8220;testosterone stamp&#8221;, or can we get cruder and call it a &#8220;testes stamp&#8221;?<br />
By all means, if a lower back tattoo is what interests you, then go for it.</p>
<p>P.S. A lower back &#8220;tramp stamp&#8221; tattoo resides in the area of the small of the back. It is triangular in shape with the lower point being just above the butt crack and the upper base line going along the body&#8217;s natural &#8216;bend&#8217; line at the waist. The width is generally in proportion to the person and on average of 7&#8243; across. The height is determined by the distance from the lower point to the upper base line.</p>
<p>Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Red_dot</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-3353</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to know what a commom man would think walking down the road and seeing your tattoo here is a good definition on urban dictionary. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tramp+stamp

I&#039;ll give you the same fatherly advice I gave my daughter. It is your body and you can do what ever you want to it, however you need to look toward the future, if you want to look cool 30 years from now, if you don&#039;t get a tattoo, which is what everyone is doing, then you will stand out if you are not inked. If you have to get inked, everyone else is doing it, then looking at it with an anthropological prospective (Ice Princess), your canvas (your body) should be a road map of your life. Hence, you have a child, you almost die in a car crash, something that is a defining moment in your life, then your body of ink will tell a story and not just be a barbed wire arm band or a tramp stamp with oriental letters that are meaningless.

Don&#039;t forget the bible thumpers, you are not suppose to mark yourself.

Did my daughter get a tattoo? yes, a small one on her ankle, looks very nice. Your skin does stretch and go back but the image on it is not quite a vector image you may loose some of its original form. I would recommend upper shoulder, start small there, you are young and have a lot to tell yet, save some canvas for defining moments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to know what a commom man would think walking down the road and seeing your tattoo here is a good definition on urban dictionary. <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tramp+stamp" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tramp+stamp</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you the same fatherly advice I gave my daughter. It is your body and you can do what ever you want to it, however you need to look toward the future, if you want to look cool 30 years from now, if you don&#8217;t get a tattoo, which is what everyone is doing, then you will stand out if you are not inked. If you have to get inked, everyone else is doing it, then looking at it with an anthropological prospective (Ice Princess), your canvas (your body) should be a road map of your life. Hence, you have a child, you almost die in a car crash, something that is a defining moment in your life, then your body of ink will tell a story and not just be a barbed wire arm band or a tramp stamp with oriental letters that are meaningless.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget the bible thumpers, you are not suppose to mark yourself.</p>
<p>Did my daughter get a tattoo? yes, a small one on her ankle, looks very nice. Your skin does stretch and go back but the image on it is not quite a vector image you may loose some of its original form. I would recommend upper shoulder, start small there, you are young and have a lot to tell yet, save some canvas for defining moments.</p>
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		<title>By: Kait Nolan</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-2717</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kait Nolan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They say that lower back is most painful location--but I figure, you&#039;ve had five kids...lower back pain from tattoo should be nothing for you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say that lower back is most painful location&#8211;but I figure, you&#8217;ve had five kids&#8230;lower back pain from tattoo should be nothing for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawna</title>
		<link>http://kaitnolan.com/2009/05/09/questioning-the-tramp-stamp/#comment-2716</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly! I&#039;ve been tossing around this idea for awhile... I don&#039;t want a tattoo where I&#039;m going to regret it later due to gravity... I don&#039;t want it out there for everyone to see. It&#039;s private. Where else but the lower back could I put it?

I&#039;m considering the middle of my back just above my shoulder blades but then if I wear backless.... I don&#039;t know. : ) That&#039;s why I&#039;m still thinking and not doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! I&#8217;ve been tossing around this idea for awhile&#8230; I don&#8217;t want a tattoo where I&#8217;m going to regret it later due to gravity&#8230; I don&#8217;t want it out there for everyone to see. It&#8217;s private. Where else but the lower back could I put it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m considering the middle of my back just above my shoulder blades but then if I wear backless&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know. : ) That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m still thinking and not doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey - Lower Back Tattoos</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lower back tattoos are often a great choice when you need or want to hide your tattoo. If you have a job where tattoos are not permitted you can easily get a lower back tattoo without anyone knowing about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lower back tattoos are often a great choice when you need or want to hide your tattoo. If you have a job where tattoos are not permitted you can easily get a lower back tattoo without anyone knowing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: driftsmoke</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m the same driftsmoke who stalks you on Twitter.  :D 

I&#039;m going to &quot;talk&quot; about the tramp stamp moniker from the perspective of someone who has several tattoos.  

I first heard this term from men who commented that every exotic dancer (or slut) they saw had a tattoo in this location.  Of course, the question of why they were hanging out with these women if they found them somehow offensive never came up.  And I am so not saying those guys were right or justified in their opinions, so please don&#039;t take it that way.  

Like other hip sounding expressions, the term &quot;tramp stamp&quot; mainstreamed.  See:  J-Lo, Bennifer, [X]Fail, Bros not Hos, Gitmo, don&#039;t go there, talk to the hand, [fill in the blank].  At first, only a &quot;hip&quot; few who are &quot;in the know&quot; use the term, but it travels like a fart in a car and, pretty soon, everybody is saying it.  The original meaning or intent eventually gets lost, and, now, &quot;tramp stamp&quot; is the term used for any woman who has a tattoo on her lower back. 

People like useful terms like &quot;tramp stamp.&quot;  It helps them describe something they don&#039;t like and want to make other people feel bad because they don&#039;t like it.  Okay, not everybody who uses the term is that way, I&#039;m sure.  But there remains the fact that they are using a negative term to blanket describe every single woman who has a tattoo in a certain location.  :( 

I have three tattoos, all of which I still love after having had them several years.  I got them all after I was already 30, so I had plenty of time to think about it before I went under the needle.  

Now the weight gain.  Even if you only gain weight outside pregnancy, that tattoo will stretch.  Parts of your body you never believed could stretch can and will when you gain weight.  I have a tattoo on my stomach and a tattoo on my upper thigh.  Both stretched when I gained about forty pounds a couple of years ago.  When I lost the weight, the tattoos went back to normal and now look just like they did when I first got them. I have another tattoo on my upper right shoulder.  I would say that spot changes in size the least when I gain weight.  Now, I would guess you are right in assuming pregnancy would ruin a tattoo anywhere near your midsection or breasts.  So, yeah, don&#039;t go there.  :D  

Another thing I&#039;ll &quot;heads up&quot; you about is pain.  My cousin has even more tattoos than I do, probably six or seven.  She says that her lower back tattoo was hands-down the most painful she ever got.  And she has one on her *foot*.  Her *foot*, I said.  Anyway, she hasn&#039;t gotten a tattoo since she got the lower back tattoo, so I sort of believe her.  :D  

My final advice is go for it if you want it.  I think the lower back is a great spot for a tattoo.  It won&#039;t get much sun, and, therefore, won&#039;t fade like these unrecognizable blobs of ink you see on people&#039;s forearms and lower legs.  You can easily hide it when you want to.  Your husband will think it&#039;s ultra sexy.  :D  Ignore the naysayers of the world and go you own way.  

Best!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the same driftsmoke who stalks you on Twitter.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to &#8220;talk&#8221; about the tramp stamp moniker from the perspective of someone who has several tattoos.  </p>
<p>I first heard this term from men who commented that every exotic dancer (or slut) they saw had a tattoo in this location.  Of course, the question of why they were hanging out with these women if they found them somehow offensive never came up.  And I am so not saying those guys were right or justified in their opinions, so please don&#8217;t take it that way.  </p>
<p>Like other hip sounding expressions, the term &#8220;tramp stamp&#8221; mainstreamed.  See:  J-Lo, Bennifer, [X]Fail, Bros not Hos, Gitmo, don&#8217;t go there, talk to the hand, [fill in the blank].  At first, only a &#8220;hip&#8221; few who are &#8220;in the know&#8221; use the term, but it travels like a fart in a car and, pretty soon, everybody is saying it.  The original meaning or intent eventually gets lost, and, now, &#8220;tramp stamp&#8221; is the term used for any woman who has a tattoo on her lower back. </p>
<p>People like useful terms like &#8220;tramp stamp.&#8221;  It helps them describe something they don&#8217;t like and want to make other people feel bad because they don&#8217;t like it.  Okay, not everybody who uses the term is that way, I&#8217;m sure.  But there remains the fact that they are using a negative term to blanket describe every single woman who has a tattoo in a certain location.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I have three tattoos, all of which I still love after having had them several years.  I got them all after I was already 30, so I had plenty of time to think about it before I went under the needle.  </p>
<p>Now the weight gain.  Even if you only gain weight outside pregnancy, that tattoo will stretch.  Parts of your body you never believed could stretch can and will when you gain weight.  I have a tattoo on my stomach and a tattoo on my upper thigh.  Both stretched when I gained about forty pounds a couple of years ago.  When I lost the weight, the tattoos went back to normal and now look just like they did when I first got them. I have another tattoo on my upper right shoulder.  I would say that spot changes in size the least when I gain weight.  Now, I would guess you are right in assuming pregnancy would ruin a tattoo anywhere near your midsection or breasts.  So, yeah, don&#8217;t go there.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Another thing I&#8217;ll &#8220;heads up&#8221; you about is pain.  My cousin has even more tattoos than I do, probably six or seven.  She says that her lower back tattoo was hands-down the most painful she ever got.  And she has one on her *foot*.  Her *foot*, I said.  Anyway, she hasn&#8217;t gotten a tattoo since she got the lower back tattoo, so I sort of believe her.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>My final advice is go for it if you want it.  I think the lower back is a great spot for a tattoo.  It won&#8217;t get much sun, and, therefore, won&#8217;t fade like these unrecognizable blobs of ink you see on people&#8217;s forearms and lower legs.  You can easily hide it when you want to.  Your husband will think it&#8217;s ultra sexy.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Ignore the naysayers of the world and go you own way.  </p>
<p>Best!</p>
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